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Msg. #1436 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/03/91 at 12:30:58 To: Russell Naber From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Delivermail? > I was wondering wether to install a tabby compatible program called TSort > or not? To order the messages by category and by date before importation > into SS. The sorting that you see in Delivermail is nothing like what TSort does. TSort is a pretty spiffy utility and can make reading of echos much nicer since all the messages are added in a sequential order to that echo during each event. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1437 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 09:32:23 To: Josh Stein From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: How long does it take? Since Tabby 3.0 is due out very soon, Michael may be holding off until it's release to save you having to upgrade a week or two after you get it. Of course, if you're sending messages about it to "H.C." no telling WHO you're asking that isn't repsonding! 8-) >I've asked H.C. to reply to my e-mails but not go. Perhaps he's on >vacation, I don't know... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1438 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 09:34:40 To: Bill Reed From: Ray Leninger Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby BR> Unfortunately, the lowest setting allowed is 16k which is too much for BR> Tabby and my Plus w/4megs. A 16k cache isn't too much for Tabby and shouldn't be too much for a 4 meg Plus unless you've got a lot of other things open at the same time. I run mine at 128k with no problems. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1439 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 09:37:35 To: Mark Spaulding From: Ray Leninger Subject: RE: SS/RRH MS> It is as if the Yabby Events were completly ignored-- Have you checked your logs for that event. The only reason I can think of why a Tabby Event would be completely ignored is if the event was overrun by something else happening and had passed it's end time before it ever got started. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1440 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 09:39:29 To: Mark Spaulding From: Ray Leninger Subject: RE: TABBY & System 7 & Mac+ MS> I have never hear of setting Scheduler as the startup. Dennis was right. Scheduler should be the startup program rather than TabbyNet. Scheduler will determine if there is a current Event and launch it if there is. TabbyNet is "part" of an event, but will not initiate one. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1441 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 12:12:38 To: Norm Goodger From: Bill Reed Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby NG>>Bill, removing the memory CDEV does not turn off the ram cache even at its NG>>lowest setting. Removing it did nothing. With 4 megs of RAM you have more NG>>than enough memory to run Tabby programs assuming you do not have the NG>>partition size of any application set way to high. I would be willing to NG>>bet you could re-install the memory cdev and if it ran before, it will NG>>continue to run... Interesting concept. I will have to give it a try and see. Will let you know what happens. br --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: REFLECTIONS_"GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF IT ALL"_ (1:101/270) Msg. #1442 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/04/91 at 12:35:33 To: Jp Edmund From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: RE: Transfer Rates > 05/30/91 4:10:00 Data transfer rate = 1862 cps > > 05/30/91 12:27:31 Data transfer rate = 1729 cps How did you get these rates (they look fantastic). Like to know your configuration (are you using Mac?). And send us your modem string. -Joseph --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: "CALL" 505 891-3840,1st Point off the CALL (HST/V.32bis DS) Msg. #1443 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/04/91 at 21:49:08 To: John Gillett From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: RE: Transfer Rates > > > With PKTs that small (12 and 13 blocks) the numbers are not really reliable. > Wait until you get some meat in (like a few hundred blocks) and then check > them again. > > John Even with the PKTs that small 11000 and 13000 bps are good. Even with small PKTs I have never got that king of bps:-(. -Joseph --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: "CALL" 505 891-3840,1st Point off the CALL (HST/V.32bis DS) Msg. #1451 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/03/91 at 07:41:17 To: Pete Johnson From: Jesse Tharin Subject: dropping to the desktop PJ> I will probably add some additional code to enable previous applications PJ> even more time to quit While watching the root window in MultiFinder, I'll often see three application icons greyed out at once. If this means that three applications are open and running and eating up their allotted share of memory, then it's no wonder that something's gotta give at times. I never noticed this with Mehit, but the Tabby factory programs seem to share this apparent reluctance to quit. I have enough memory so that it's no problem here... Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1452 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/03/91 at 07:42:25 To: Russell Naber From: Jesse Tharin Subject: Delivermail? TSort? RN> I was wondering wether to install a tabby compatible program RN> called TSort or not? To order the messages by category and by RN> date before importation into SS. Over in these parts TSort works fast and without fuss. It has never bombed and doesn't get hysterical in it's Tabby Log reports. There are two versions. The earlier sorted by date/time alone. The later one sorts first by message section number and then by date/time. Use it! Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1453 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/03/91 at 07:39:36 To: Pete Johnson From: Jesse Tharin Subject: Reply to AreaFix Request Areafix> You are currently sharing the following Echoes with this Areafix> board (an asteriskindicates that you are the feed): How's THIS for an earthshakin' bug! Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1454 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/03/91 at 22:46:39 To: Randy Brown From: Shoshona Bieman Subject: RE: Re: Address (again) Thank you, kindly! --=[[ Shoshona ]]=-- --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Drawing Board-Hac Hts,CA*Mac DTP*(818)965-6241 (1:102/885) Msg. #1455 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/01/91 at 06:50:15 To: Matt Jannusch From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking FWIW, the GPi pin for carrier detect bit was first implemented in NLP, then Hermes :-) It would be nice if Tabby supported this, even if all Macs do not have the GPi pin connected (so now we have a *7* pin serial port? Geeezzz...) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1456 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/01/91 at 06:53:17 To: Pete Johnson From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: BusyOut (Gee, I never got mine to work, but here's ain interesting story...) My NEC, running BinkleyTerm 2.40/modified, had a BusyOut-type application to take the pehone off the hook when his system was processing mail. The only problem is, when you leave the phone off the hook for a few minutes it gets turned off by the phone company. This one time, the phone didn't turn back on and he had to wait for like 12 hours for the phone company to turn his line on again. Thus, he doesn't use any BuysOut-types, and I'm very skeptical now :-) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1457 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/01/91 at 06:54:13 To: Russell Naber From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: Arcmail extract RN> Now run TImport to post the echo/mail into the SS system. No, you mean run MBImport to import the messages into NuMBase and NLP ;-) --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1458 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/01/91 at 15:20:00 To: All & Prem Michael From: Duncan McNutt Subject: Hardware Handshaking Hello Prem, In a message Prem Michael writes to Russell Naber: >> I still feel that both Tabby and SS should take advantage of >> hardware handshaking, PM> I just read a msg from Michael in which he said it is not possible to PM> have both, HSK and CD, working at the same time -- no matter what PM> anybody says. That is incorrect, hardware handschaking is done using pins 1 and 2. These are then used for CTR and RTS, which basically implement a hardware version of X-On/X-Off so that you then have a clean data link. You need hardware handshake for proper handling of data compression methods (such as MNP5 and V43bis) as well as enhance packet handling and error control (such as MNP4/LAP-M/V42). As the Mac does not have enough pins for everything you lose DTR if you do hardware handshake. DTR tells the modem that your computer is online and ready to talk. PM> I don't know if this is totaly correct. What I am wondering is why we PM> need the support of CARRIER DETECT at all, at least on Tabby. I PM> understand CD is needed for Tabby to see if there is any package to be PM> picked up, so it wouldn't twirl it's thumbs for 3 min. before it hangs CD is a signal that tells the computer that two modems are talking to each other (ie: the "carrier" signal is detected by your modem). It is available on _some_ Macintoshes on pin 7. It is most usefull in having your software detect whether the two modems are actually still connected or whether the other side has hung up. If CD is not available one usually handles this problem using timeouts, this is not nearly as efficiant or as secure. If one uses the CTB (Communication Toolbox) which is available for System 6 and included in System 7. Then handling of these features is done for you. However the limitations still apply (ie: no DTR on hardware handshake and no CD on some machines). Third party Nubus boards with seriel ports allow all signals to be used, these are also automatically recognized by the CTB. This is the cleanest, albeit most costly solution. PM> I am not a technical expert, or even close to it in these matters. So PM> you have to excuse me if it's sounds bull what I am asking. Cheers, Duncan (Big Mac) McNutt --- MacTearline * Origin: MacOrigin on MacBox in MacGermany (2:243/100) Msg. #1459 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 13:02:28 To: Bob Cramer From: Michael Connick Subject: RE: Hermes/Tabby Problem BC> GetSomeMail - Unable to open received mail file. This error indicates that the Tabby Mail Received file (it's in the Tabby folder) has a pathname of a non-existant file in it. Use a text editor to open the file and delete the first line in it. Go ahead and verify all the rest of the paths while you've got it open. Then save the updated file and all will be well again. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: A Point in the Castle [50:5201/412.1] (1:107/412.1) Msg. #1461 in *TABBY* Posted on 05/31/91 at 19:05:28 To: Prem Michael From: Klaus Matzka Subject: RE: HST/DUAL v32.bis setup with tabby PM> some performance out of my ProModem Ultima (V.32bis) Can you recommend the ProModem Ultima? Thanks, Klaus. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Mac + Prograph(TM) = NeXTstep for the Macintosh (2:310/16.70) Msg. #1462 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 15:34:46 To: Michael Connick From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: Sys 7 and Tabby MC> All of the Tabby 2.2 programs call WaitNextEvent a lot! They all call MC> it continuously for the first 5 seconds and last 5 seconds of their MC> operation, and most call MC> it quite often during their normal execution (with the execption of MC> TabbyNet itself). With 3.0, all of the programs are even more MF- MC> friendly and are calling WaitNextEvent continuously during their normal MC> operation. Uh, then how come the Tabby applications aren't very MF-friendly as it is? You can't really do anything while they're running, as least as far as I can tell. Oh well, so it is :-) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1463 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 15:37:11 To: Bob Cramer From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: Hermes/Tabby Problem Look in your Tabby Mail Received file (inside the Tabby folder). Sometimes Tabby forgets to delete the first entry, which MIGHT read: <hd>:<folder>:<generic folder>:rcvdmailxxx/yyy.bbs Delete that and all problems go away, I have found. Doesn't happen very frequently, thankfully. jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1464 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 11:00:57 To: Pete Johnson From: David Herren Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby Can you blame mehit for not conducting the Finder liaison with you peering at her? I'm not much for amorous encounters under such scrutiny either! Pete, could you post the latest version numbers of your "central" utilities so we can be certain we're up to date? -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1465 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/02/91 at 23:03:33 To: Eric Larson From: Jp Edmund Subject: Re: Transfer Rates Thanks for the info, I will look into that the next time around. I thought, that the speed was a "set" think. Does the speed increase or decrease with the size of the file. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY Nova Link - Brooklyn, NY (1:278/635) Msg. #1467 in *TABBY* Posted on 05/27/91 at 22:31:32 To: All From: William Bowles Subject: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Alert! 8:19 am May 24, 1991 Source: Peacenet (Fido:250/722) igc:hfrederick Conf: media.issues Subject: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Alert! Sender: Progressive Economists Network <PEN-L%USCVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> From: MICHAELC%PENNDRLS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU 91.04.18 Dear Friends, I received the following message at a recent conference organized by the Southern California Regional HP Users' Group (SCRUG). Everyone at the conference agreed to pass on the information verbatim. FROM: MATT DOMSCH SUBJECT: MODEM TAX A new regulation that the FCC is quietly working on will directly affect you as the user of a computer and modem. The FCC proposes that users of modems should pay extra charges for use of the public telephone networks which carry their data. In addition, computer network services such as Compuserve, Tymnet, & Telenet would also be charged as much as $6.00 per hour for use of the public telephone network. These charges would very likely be passed on to the subscribers. The money is to be collected and given to the telephone company in an effort to raise funds lost to deregulation. Jim Eason of KGO newstalk radio (San Francisco, CA) commented on the proposal during his afternoon radio program during which he said he learned of the new regulation in an article in the New York Times. Jim took the time to gather the addresses which are given below. What you should do: First, take the time to download this message and the letter which follows. Next, find three or more other BBS systems which are not carrying this message and upload this text. Finally, print three copies of the letter which follows (or write your own) and send a signed copy to the three addresses. It is important that you act now. The bureaucrats already have it in their mind that modem users should subsidize the phone company and are now listening for public comment. Please stand up and make it clear that we will not stand for government restriction on the free exchange of information. The three addresses to write to: (a letter to send follows) Chairman Federal Communications Commission 1919 M Street NW Washington, DC 20554 Chairman Senate Communication Subcommittee SH-227 Hart Building Washington, DC 20510 Chairman House Telecommunication Subcommittee B-331 Rayburn Building Washington, DC 20515 Dear Sir: Please allow me to express my displeasure with the FCC proposal which would authorize a surcharge for the use of modems on the public telephone network. This regulation is nothing less than an attempt to restrict the free exchange of information among the growing number of computer users. Calls placed using modems require no special telephone company equipment, and users of modems pay the phone company for use of the network in the form of a monthly bill. In short, a modem call is the same as a voice call and therefore should not be subject to any additional regulation. Yours truly, ... <end of message> --- Tabby 2.2 Msg. #1468 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/04/91 at 06:24:33 To: Jp Edmund From: Scott Christensen Subject: Re: Transfer Rates Jp Edmund writes in a message to Eric Larson on 02 Jun 91 JE> I thought, that the speed was a "set" think. Does the speed increase JE> or decrease with the size of the file. Because of the buffers in the modem, your computer can load up the modem with up to 20 blocks real fast - then the transfer rate depends on the modem to modem rate. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS St. Paul, MN 612-642-4629 (eve & wknds) (1:282/24.1) Msg. #1480 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/05/91 at 07:38:39 To: Jesse Tharin From: John Gillett Subject: RE: dropping to the desktop JT> While watching the root window in MultiFinder, I'll often see three JT> application icons greyed out at once. If this means that three JT> applications are open and running and eating up their allotted JT> share of memory, then it's no wonder that something's gotta give JT> at times. I never noticed this with Mehit, but the Tabby factory JT> programs seem to share this apparent reluctance to quit. I have JT> enough memory so that it's no problem here... I see the same thing here, but I don't think it means that all those programs are still running at the same time. I think it's really that it takes a bit for the window to be updated. John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix (6:6008/1) (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1481 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/05/91 at 07:42:46 To: Jason Ehrlich From: John Gillett Subject: RE: BusyOut JE> My NEC, running BinkleyTerm 2.40/modified, had a BusyOut-type JE> application to take the pehone off the hook when his system was JE> processing mail. The only problem is, when you leave the phone off JE> the hook for a few minutes it gets JE> turned off by the phone company. This one time, the phone didn't turn JE> back on and he had to wait for like 12 hours for the phone company to JE> turn his line on again. Thus, he doesn't use any BuysOut-types, and JE> I'm very skeptical now :-) Have heard stories similar to this before, but it doesn't work that way here. Lately my 1300 Event has decided to drop to the Finder. Since I don't get home until after 1900 this means the phone is off-hook for 6 hours or more. It always comes back available in just a few seconds after removing the busy-out condition. John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix (6:6008/1) (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1483 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/05/91 at 05:02:51 To: Norm Goodger From: Russell Naber Subject: Re: Delivermail? NG> TSort is a pretty spiffy utility and can make reading of echos much NG> nicer since all the messages are added in a sequential order to NG> that echo during each event. Figured that out already, tried it, it does what I want it to do in conjunction with the Read Combined command. -Russ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Black Diamond-Gillette, WY/Energy Capitol U.S.A.! (1:15/16) Msg. #1484 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/05/91 at 01:21:09 To: William Bowles From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Alert! Not this old story again... This has been dead for so long now its ridiculous, how does this thing keep coming back to life anyway?? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1485 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/05/91 at 09:45:30 To: Duncan McNutt From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > That is incorrect, hardware handschaking is done using pins 1 and 2. > These are then used for CTR and RTS, which basically implement a hardware > version of X-On/X-Off so that you then have a clean data link. You need > hardware handshake for proper handling of data compression methods (such > as MNP5 and V43bis) as well as enhance packet handling and error control > (such as MNP4/LAP-M/V42). As the Mac does not have enough pins for > everything you lose DTR if you do hardware handshake. DTR tells the > modem that your computer is online and ready to talk. Duncan, since the Mac does not have enough pins to properly support HSK and CD which is "required" for BBS and Tabby operation, implementing it for "some" might be OK, thru the use of pin 7 which is not on all Mac's and Apple judiciously removed in the new Mac's again. So this limits the usage to the SE, SE30, Mac II, IIx, IIcx, IIci, IIfx. The Plus, IIsi, LC, Classic and older Pre-Plus Macs cannot make use of HSK. Using the GPi pin 7 also requires a "completely unique" and custom modem cable. No one will be able to buy one, it will have to be custom made for each and every sysop that wants to use GPi "should" their Mac have it. You make it sound like its something thats easily done and its not. As far HSK being "needed"..perhaps with some modems, the HST gives me regularly with zmodem 1600CPS on compressed files and I've gotton 1900CPS on uncompressed files without HSK. This is not with mailer software however. But it indicates to me that HSK is not mandatory in all cases. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1494 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/05/91 at 08:18:47 To: Jesse Tharin From: Pete Johnson Subject: Reply to AreaFix Request Thanks for the bug report. I see that one every time I get a message from AreaTrix. One day I'll return to the AT code and fix it. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1505 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 20:53:20 To: Duncan McNutt From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: RE: Hardware Handshaking > Third party Nubus boards with seriel ports allow all signals to be used, these > are also automatically recognized by the CTB. This is the cleanest, albeit > most costly solution. Can you explain this a litter more in detail. Also why it is costly? And how much? Thanks. -Joseph --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: "CALL" 505 891-3840,1st Point off the CALL (HST/V.32bis DS) Msg. #1506 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 20:40:52 To: David Herren From: Pete Johnson Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby DH> Pete, could you post the latest version numbers of your "central" DH> utilities so we can be certain we're up to date? AreaTrix 1.04 Fakebot 1.41 ff 1.46 Flip 1.01 Gliders 1.41 Log-O-Matic 1.72 mehit 2.06 TExport 1.93 TImport 1.96 --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1507 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 05:26:34 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Russell Naber Subject: Re: Arcmail extract JE> No, you mean run MBImport to import the messages into NuMBase and JE> NLP ;-) Okay, whatever, I use Pete Johnson's TImport and TExport don't know what you are using. -Russ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Black Diamond-Gillette, WY/Energy Capitol U.S.A.! (1:15/16) Msg. #1508 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 05:27:45 To: Jesse Tharin From: Russell Naber Subject: Re: Delivermail? TSort? Re: my earlier post, got it working and it is great! I'm using the newer version -russ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Black Diamond-Gillette, WY/Energy Capitol U.S.A.! (1:15/16) Msg. #1509 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 05:43:30 To: Micheal Connick From: Russell Naber Subject: Tabby 3.0/ Janus Protocl Mike, Here is a response from my brother concering Janus protocol to your post earlier, he is not in this echo, but I thought you might to see his response. Russ > Msg #4267 in *NetMail* Created on 06/05/91 at 09:01:04 > To: Russell Naber [Private] [Recvd], From: Greg Naber > Via address: 343/34 > Subject: Re: Janus? > > Hello there Russell! > > In a Ditty of <05 Jun 91>, Russell Naber says to Greg Naber: > > > RN> Greg, > > RN> What do you think of this? > > MC>> Naber [Recvd], From: Michael Connick Subject: RE: Tabby 3.0 > MC>> > MC> RN>> Well please reconsider, From what I understand Janus support > MC> RN>> bi-directional transfers at high speed instead of one-way > MC> RN>> with the slower back channel. > MC>> > MC>> Actually it's a LOT more complicated an issue than that. First of > MC>> all, Janus is a DISASTER on a system with a modem such as an HST. > > Huh, I have been using it with HST, no disasters as yet:-) > > MC>> As I'm sure you know, the HST only runs at high-speed in a single > MC>> direction, with a VERY low-speed backchannel available for ACK's, > MC>> NAK's, and other relatively infrequent protocol specific > MC>> transmissions. There's no way to make this very low-speed > MC>> backchannel run any faster. However, this scheme works just fine > MC>> for most communications protocols as each side takes turns being > MC>> in a sending state or receiver state. With Janus, you have both > > Not real sure if HST uses back channel, with Janus. > > MC>> sides attempting to act in the sending state at the same time. > MC>> This means that one of them is going to be stuck sending data at > MC>> back-channel speeds (300 or 450 baud) with an HST. Also, the very > > False, back channel is still used for ack, naks, except Janus is a streaming > protocol hence no ack, naks. Uses two different frequencies for modulation and > the send/receive don't interfere with each other. > > MC>> nature of most REAL Fidonet sessions is very one-sided, so that > MC>> this dual-sending ability really doesn't buy that much even with a > MC>> modem that can run full speed in both directions simultaneously. > MC>> Typically you call a system to pick up Echomail and gets LOTS from > MC>> him and send VERY LITTLE back. Or someone calls you to pick up > MC>> Echomail and gets lots from you but sends very little to you. > MC>> Janus would be a BIG plus if both sides of a Fidonet session > MC>> usually transmitted roughly the same amount of data. In the real > MC>> world, this just isn't true. So my reading on Janus is that it's > MC>> advantages in the real world environment are minimal, and when > > True, useful really only when comm session is with two modems that have same > amount to send each other. > > MC>> used with the most common modem in Fidonet it's a downright > MC>> disaster. Given its considerable complexity to implement I've > MC>> decided to pass on it at this time. Maybe in Tabby 8.0! ;-) --- > MC>> Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: A Point in the Castle > > Hum, disaster? When I tested it with dave, with both sending a LARGE > doc file, it worked fine, and shortened the connect time quite a bit. > But again, it IS usful for 2400 connects and 96+ connects are > one-sided usually, so Zed-Zap with receive buffers of 4096 0r higher > is a lot faster. Don't connect often enough with others that have > Janus engaged to check much, the one guy that I get files from must > have noticed we were connecting with Janus and turned it off. I never > questioned him on it after seeing connect time shorten with Zed-Zap. > > RN> let me know ok? > > I don't know that much, but if you turn on echo: BINKLEY they discuse > it regulary in there. > > > Catch Ya Later! > > Greg > ************* There you go mike, thought I'd give him the chance to respond. -Russ Naber Msg. #1510 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/03/91 at 09:10:15 To: Pete Johnson From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby Well, I've been using the Zoo BBS version of BusyOut because I'd heard Michael C's version wasn't particularly TOPS friendly. The problem I've been having with one of my feeds is annoying, especially since the SysOp of the other system is being rather nasty about my request NOT to poll my system anymore -- I call him instead and nothing is lost. Some people.... In any case, has anyone else been having trouble with the Zoo BBS version? I'd like to give more information about the offending system's setup, but the SysOp would rather write me nasty comments than give me the info I need. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1511 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/04/91 at 08:48:05 To: William Bowles From: Eric Larson Subject: FCC Ponders Modem Surchar In a message to All [27 May 91 22:31:00] William Bowles writes: > >RE: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Alert! >8:19 am May 24, 1991 >Source: Peacenet >(Fido:250/722) igc:hfrederick >Conf: media.issues >Subject: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Alert! > >Sender: Progressive Economists Network ><PEN-L%USCVM.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> >From: MICHAELC%PENNDRLS.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU > >91.04.18 > Bogus message alert! This proposal was defeated over 3 years ago as part of the modified Computer III inquiry. Letters triggered by obsolete repostings of this sort are giving the computer hobbyist a black eye with the FCC. There is no such action currently under consideration by the FCC. DO NOT respond to such messages unless they contain a current FCC Notice of Rulemaking Docket Number. --- Jabberwocky Pro v1.0a1 * Origin: Press +++ ATH for BBS (1:260/330.106) Msg. #1514 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/04/91 at 15:37:46 To: John Gillett From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: ZipExtract JG> I had always been getting very good (for me) numbers from my Host, but JG> going to .zip made them even better by almost 200cps (no changes other JG> than .zip - JG> now reliably almost 1200cps, HST-HST). Nice. Me too. I get 960cps with my v32-v32 conection, as oppsed to 750cps when using ArcMail files. Odd, but nice :-) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1515 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/04/91 at 15:40:59 To: Pete Jonhson From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: AreaTrix. Pete, I've been having some problems with AreaTrix. Basically whenever one of my points tries to Areafix an echo, nothing happens. AreaTrix runs after every Tabby event, here is my even chain: ...TabbyNet DeliverMail,Trix,MBImport,Restart AreaTrix runs and all, and I checked the setup files and everything is ok. Help! jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1516 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/04/91 at 23:10:08 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Matt Jannusch Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking JE> FWIW, the GPi pin for carrier detect bit was first implemented in NLP, then JE> Hermes :-) JE> It would be nice if Tabby supported this, even if all Macs do not have the JE> 0GPi pin connected (so now we have a *7* pin serial port? Geeezzz...) I agree that it would be nice if everyone started supporting it. I'm not using it, or my hardware handshake cable, at the moment but it would definately allow a little more configuration flexability. I can't remember specifically, but I believe that Inside Mac VI has a Gestalt routine to tell whether or not the Mac your program is running on has GPi or not. Its also in the technote (280?) for anyone wishing to implement it. -Matt --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Desert Oasis - Hermes BBS - 612-636-4285 - HST/V32 (1:282/72) Msg. #1517 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/01/91 at 09:29:05 To: Norm Goodger From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: Here's one for the books... Norm Goodger writes in a message to Daniel Brown on 30 May 91 NG> Contrary to popular belief, 7.0 runs fine on my 16mhz Radius NG> accelerator with version 2.0 roms and the Radius INIT that cleans NG> up the scratchy sound you have with that board. I don't know NG> what Radius thinks does not work or is incompatable, but everything NG> seems to be working fine here.. Well I've tried loading three times. When I take the accelerator out 7.0 works. With it in it doesn't. I got the latest roms and inits. Radius tech support says they are coming out with an upgrade to fix the problem. What's real funny is I have a friend with the SE accelerator and he had the same problem. He just turned it off to install and then back on after installation. Works fine now for him. I wonder if it could be a strange mix of Radius and plus ROMS. My Plus is an upgraded one. Dan --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: What is the Speed of Light? (1:375/15.1) Msg. #1518 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 11:12:07 To: Daniel Brown From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Here's one for the books... > Well I've tried loading three times. When I take the accelerator out 7.0 > works. With it in it doesn't. I got the latest roms and inits. Radius > tech support says they are coming out with an upgrade to fix the problem It appears I forgot to mention I am running it on a Mac SE, not a Plus, that might make a difference. Does 7.0 just fail to boot when installed? What are the symptoms of the failure.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1546 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/07/91 at 06:49:11 To: Daniel Brown From: John Gillett Subject: Re: Here's one for the books... DB> I wonder if it could be DB> a strange mix of Radius and plus ROMS. My Plus is an upgraded one. Latest (and last) version of Plus ROMs have a -B and -C suffix (forgot which is which). Just upgraded my -A and -B a few weeks ago, but have no idea what was changed/fixed. There is no visible difference. BTW, there are still some files sitting here for you from your last FREQ. John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix (6:6008/1) (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1624 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 10:01:54 To: Pete Johnson From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby > > ff 1.46 > Log-O-Matic 1.72 That is a good idea that you post latest versions of your products here. I noticed I us two products above and I do not have the latest. I am a register user, but forgot how I can get the latest!!! Was it your product which could be Frequed from Chris Koch? Appreciate if you get these informations to me. You call me callet at 505 892-8527 if you like. Thanks -Joseph --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: "CALL" 505 891-3840,1st Point off the CALL (HST/V.32bis DS) Msg. #1625 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 09:42:49 To: Robert Mason From: James Lawrence Subject: RE: BusyOut RM> Ive been trying to use BusyOut, and I get it to pick up the phone fine, but RM> after all the events are done and it launches my BBS I cant get it to hang RM> 0up and my BBS doesnt automatically hang up the BBS when launched so the RM> 0phone stays off hook with my BBS looking for a RING. Is therer any way to RM> 0get BusyOut to Hangup or do I have to change my BBS init string to hang up RM> 0the phone first? Well, I assume that you are running Hermes. I had the same problem. Just check, 'Off hook on local' and all your problems are solved. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Macintosh Dimension * 9600 Baud * 213-472-0643 (1:102/550) Msg. #1627 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 08:11:53 To: Ray Leninger From: Mark Spaulding Subject: RE: SS/RRH Ray Leninger writes in a message ... RL> Have you checked your logs for that event. Thanks for the thoughts Ray. The only thing written to the log is that Tabby launches. It is really strange. Has happened a few time now. I just changed out all of the Tabby application, will have to wait until till tomorrow to see if this helped. Thanks, --Mark --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: +Dear Theo.+ Across the room (415-275-9759) (1:161/703.1) Msg. #1628 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 08:12:55 To: Ray Leninger From: Mark Spaulding Subject: RE: TABBY & System 7 & Mac+ Ray Leninger writes in a message ... RL> TabbyNet is "part" of an event, but will not initiate one It used to on my machine with out a hitch. Regards, --Mark --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: +Dear Theo.+ Across the room (415-275-9759) (1:161/703.1) Msg. #1629 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 08:16:27 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Mark Spaulding Subject: RE: BusyOut Jason Ehrlich writes in a message ... JE> when you leave the phone off the hook for a few minutes it gets JE> turned off by the phone company Hugh. I have left my phone off the hook for hours (when the board was down). The phone *shouldn't* be disconnected, but you never know with local phone systems. Regards, --Mark --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: +Dear Theo.+ Across the room (415-275-9759) (1:161/703.1) Msg. #1630 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/04/91 at 19:43:07 To: Mike Steiner From: Michael Pester Subject: RE: $$$make money fast$$$ MS> He's like Chickenman: He's everywhere, he's everywhere. You don't have that commercial there too do ya? Michael --- Copernicus II Point (fc) * Origin: Echanted Mansion - Des Moines, IA - (515) 279-6769 (1:290/628.1) Msg. #1637 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/07/91 at 22:20:30 To: Mark Spaulding From: Char Rice Subject: Re: Chris Phillips <<He was just a passing fancy!>> I hope you are right!! -- Helmsman 1.0a8 --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Drawing Board-Hac Hts,CA*Mac DTP*(818)965-6241 (1:102/885) Msg. #1638 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 11:13:09 To: Joseph Emmanuel From: Pete Johnson Subject: RE: Updating utilities You can get the latest versions of my utilities by FREQ from Chriss Koch or from my board or by sending a stamped self addressed envelope with blank disk(s) to: Pete Johnson Glassell Park BBS Post Office Box 65074 Los Angeles, CA 90065 The Archie utilities, including mehitabel and Log-O-Matic, are on one disk. The AreaTrix utilities, including Flip and ff, are on a separate disk. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1639 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 18:04:20 To: Norm Goodger From: Michael Long Subject: RE: Re: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Ale I don't think that's right and I'm going to write them. For me to use a network, I have to pay long distance fees and network fees. I use local BBS's to get out of paying those fees. They've stepped over the line and they're in my space now! I'm fighting back and I think any decent person should. The phone company gets enough money already, now the FCC wants to give them more? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------- --- Tabby 3.0a1 * Origin: Fort Mill SC TABBY 803-548-0900 (HAYES-ULTRA) (1:376/24) Msg. #1640 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/06/91 at 23:34:22 To: All Commodore Owners From: Michael Long Subject: problems If anybody who owns a C64 or C128 has been having problems in the Tabby message editor changing colors(control-p-#), could you please tell me how you corrected it? I can't get it to work. -My apologies moderator, I can't find any rule listings, so I don't know if this is off topic or not. --- Tabby 3.0a1 * Origin: Fort Mill SC TABBY 803-548-0900 (HAYES-ULTRA) (1:376/24) Msg. #1641 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/07/91 at 23:14:49 To: All From: Ray Terry Subject: ZipExtract Where can I freq the _latest_ ZipExtract? Does anyone have it available??? Thanks. --- Tabby 3.0b3 * Origin: MacScience Science/Unix/Ham/Tech 408-866-4933 DS (1:143/36) Msg. #1642 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 20:11:54 To: Michael Long From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: Re: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Ale > my space now! I'm fighting back and I think any decent person should. > The phone company gets enough money already, now the FCC wants to give > them more? NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Michael, read my text... This whole issue has been DEAD for YEARS now. There is NO reason to write to anyone for anything... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1643 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 07:31:55 To: Ray Terry From: John Gillett Subject: RE: ZipExtract RT> Where can I freq the _latest_ ZipExtract? Does anyone have it RT> available??? Sure do. It's ZIPExtr.cpt. John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix (6:6008/1) (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1658 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 23:19:49 To: Eric Jennings From: Randy Brown Subject: RE: Tabby misses events Eric, I also have times when Tabby just completely skips schedules. I'll check, and the schedule looks exactly the same as the last time Tabby ran it correctly. This has puzzled me... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Currents! K12Net on a Mac! - Dayton, OH - 513-253-2476 (1:110/430) Msg. #1659 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 23:25:22 To: David Herren From: Randy Brown Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby & cache I have had a D'Bridge connection timeout with a cache setting of >300K (approximation). When the cache was being written to disk, D'Bridge said "bye". --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Currents! K12Net on a Mac! - Dayton, OH - 513-253-2476 (1:110/430) Msg. #1660 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 07:14:08 To: Scott Christensen From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: Duplicate received file names SC> I have a problem with my NC. He is running TBBS and its mailer, SEAdog SC> 4.5. He sends me duplicate file names on message archives! Maybe he should try that TIMS thing if it is any different? Or, you could stop the event in the middle and start another one. (mail processing doesn't tale _that_ long :-) ) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1661 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 12:19:45 To: Robert Mason From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: BusyOut RM> Ive been trying to use BusyOut, and I get it to pick up the phone fine, RM> but after all the events are done and it launches my BBS I cant get it RM> to hang up and my BBS doesnt automatically hang up the BBS when RM> launched so the phone RM> stays off hook with my BBS looking for a RING. Is therer any way to get RM> BusyOut to Hangup or do I have to change my BBS init string to hang up RM> the phone first? In your Modem Init strings put ATH0 first. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1662 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 14:37:35 To: Pete Johnson From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: AreaTrix problem (oh, first off, this is a test, is anyone past Ralph Merritt getting this? :-) ) Pete, I'm having some problems with AreaTrix. I set it up the necessary way and it worked fine. Recently my points have been getting no response when Areafix-ing new echos. I tried replacing the application, no luck...any ideas? Also, do you have any plans to support the Fidonet.na file? jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1663 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 18:01:07 To: Mark Toland From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: BOut Error #2 MT> That's a new one. I wrote BOut. I've got just about every type of MT> mailer calling here and haven't run into any problems. Usually I MT> find error #2 showing up all of a sudden is related to something MT> corrupt in the System file or maybe the application. I could MT> put a loop in it to clear out memory and clear the modem but I MT> don't know that that is the problem. Let me know any more you MT> find out and I'll do what I can. There is not much to that MT> program ya know :) Well, the problem system continued to call me despite my request that he stop. I asked him nicely to stop. He continued. I scolded him. He said he resented the scolding. I called him a baby. He cut ties with me. So I guess you could say the problem went away. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1664 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 18:02:36 To: Robert Mason From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: BusyOut RM> Ive been trying to use BusyOut, and I get it to pick up the RM> phone fine, but after all the events are done and it launches my RM> BBS I cant get it to hang up and my BBS doesnt automatically RM> hang up the BBS when launched so RM> the phone stays off hook with my BBS looking for a RING. Is RM> therer any way to get BusyOut to Hangup or do I have to change RM> my BBS init string to hang up the phone first? Oh, yeah, I had the same problem. On someone's advice, I added the string "ATH0" (no quotes) to my modem init file, right near the beginning. That did the trick. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1665 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/05/91 at 20:26:01 To: Michael Connick From: John W. Sinteur Subject: RE: Finally back... MC> From: Michael Connick MC> To: Jason Ehrlich MC> Subject: RE: Finally back... Date: 31 May 91 at 05:55 MC> JE> So, who's going to the Boston expo? MC> Me!!! Well, as I plan to come across the atlantic (to pick up some 4 Mb SIMMs if they are cheap enough at the Expo), and things are looking good enough on the finance side, I guess I could do with a little info on the Boston Expo. Does anybody have dates, times and locations for me? -John --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: My ex-wife's other car is a broom (+31-71-318678) (2:512/114.1) Msg. #1666 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 08:44:13 To: Robert Mason From: David Herren Subject: Re: BusyOut It would probably be a good idea to have your init modem strings for the BBS hang up the modem as well as initializing it for the other settings that you desire. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1667 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 10:19:54 To: Pete Johnson From: David Herren Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby Thanks much. I'm checking my versions out today! -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1668 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 16:50:20 To: All From: Matt Jannusch Subject: AreaTrix Does anyone know how I would go about getting AreaTrix, and whether or not it will work with Hermes? There have been a lot of changes with echos in my net and AreaTrix would make things much easier. I already know that AreaFix doesn't work with Hermes properly, so does AreaTrix do basicly the same thing AreaFix does? Thanks in advance... -Matt --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Desert Oasis - Hermes BBS - 612-636-4285 - HST/V32 (1:282/72) Msg. #1669 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 08:33:45 To: Eric Larson From: Ray Terry Subject: Re: Timeouts > I have found that if I have a BBS timeout less than 10 minutes my users > complain; but if the BBS just sat there for ten minutes after a user > dropped carrier I would miss a lot of phone calls. I have mine set for 4 mins and no one has complained in the 3.5 years the board has been up. (for whatever that is worth) --- Tabby 3.0b3 * Origin: MacScience Science/Unix/Ham/Tech 408-866-4933 DS (1:143/36) Msg. #1670 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 08:31:21 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Mike Steiner Subject: AreaTrix. Jason Ehrlich writes to Pete Jonhson on 04 Jun 91 ... JE> Basically whenever one of my points tries to Areafix an echo, JE> nothing happens. AreaTrix runs after every Tabby event, here JE> is my even chain: JE> ...TabbyNet DeliverMail,Trix,MBImport,Restart JE> AreaTrix runs and all, and I checked the setup files and everything JE> is ok. I had that problem when I started getting points and they started to use AreaTrix. The problem turned out to be that I had not put a carriage return after the last item in my areaPass file. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1671 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 08:32:57 To: Ray Terry From: Mike Steiner Subject: ZipExtract Ray Terry writes to All on 07 Jun 91 ... RT> Where can I freq the _latest_ ZipExtract? Does anyone have it RT> available??? I have it, Ray. I'll set up a file attachment so that the next time you poll me, it will be sent to you. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1672 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 09:23:12 To: Frank Price From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking Ok, if the IIsi supports GPi. thats one less to worry about, that just leaves he LC, Classic, and the Plus and Pre_Plus Machines in the boat where GPi support does not exist. Its not universal and that was the point. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1673 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 19:27:51 To: John Gillett From: Jesse Tharin Subject: RE: BusyOut JG> Lately my 1300 Event has decided to drop to the Finder. Since JG> I don't get home until after 1900 this means the phone is off-hook JG> for 6 hours or more. DUMB QUESTION TIME! DUMB QUESTION TIME! I have a question that's so simple it just *HAS* to be dumb. Can't you delete the Finder and rename a copy of ShutMeDown to "Finder"? Then when the Mac wants to tune in, turn on and drop out to the Finder, it should restart, no? I betcha I'm missing something here, but maybe (just maybe) it really _is_ that simple. At it's heart, this is a serious and fundamental question about how this Mac works. Any ideas? Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1674 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 20:24:32 To: Robert Mason From: Jesse Tharin Subject: BusyOut RM> but after all the events are done and it launches my BBS I cant RM> get it to hang up ... Is there any way to get BusyOut to Hangup RM> or do I have to change my BBS init string to hang up the phone RM> first? It's perhaps a simple conceptual problem. BusyOut takes the modem off-hook and then quits. It's gone and forgotten and outta your life forever. But it *DID* something to your modem's line relay. When a BBS fires up, it has to take control of the modem no matter what, so you're right in suspecting that the modem init at BBS startup is crucial. Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1714 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 21:07:16 To: Jesse Tharin From: John Gillett Subject: RE: BusyOut JT> DUMB QUESTION TIME! DUMB QUESTION TIME! Jeez, Jess - only from somebody in Arizona - right?!? Anyway, I suppose that would work. I've seen some apps come with no Finder on their disk. But what do you do when you really need the Finder? John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix (6:6008/1) (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1715 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 09:26:08 To: All From: Scott Christensen Subject: Message from EchoMac Did everyone see the following message in EchoMac? === beginning of message === > To: Alex Moran > From: Bruce Tomlin >Subject: Multitasking > Date: 07 Jun 91 at 11:08 > > AM> The latest issue of Byte calls the #gold standard# > ^ ^ > >By the way, folks, I hear that the new Backbone Echomail Policy >Document (which apparently =will= be enforced by software that deletes >offending messages) doesn't allow for messages with the high bit set. >That just happens to include Macintosh "smart quotes". (besides, not >all of us are reading this echo on a Mac [gasp!]) Supposedly they are >going to be sending netmail to users/sysops who are sending out-of-spec >messages before they start deleting them. > >They're more worried about things such as multiple tear lines (the >"---" lines), tear and origin lines too long, and quoted $een-by lines, >but "high bit characters" is on their list. The reason is that >echomail processors barf on these things. (but I haven't heard of a >single echomail processor that actually barfs on high bit >characters... it wouldn't last very long in today's Fidonet environment) > >Since nobody else has mentioned this yet, I thought this was a good >opportunity. > >P.S. I changed the smart quotes in my quoting to protect the innocent: >me. (yeah, SURE i am.) > >--- FD 1.99c > * Origin: Get that "April fresh" 32-bit clean feeling! (1:387/555) === And my reply: === Bruce Tomlin writes in a message to Alex Moran on 07 Jun 91 BT> By the way, folks, I hear that the new Backbone Echomail Policy BT> Document (which apparently =will= be enforced by software that BT> deletes offending messages) doesn't allow for messages with the BT> high bit set. That just happens to include Macintosh "smart quotes". BT> (besides, not all of us are reading this echo on a Mac [gasp!]) BT> Supposedly they are going to be sending netmail to users/sysops BT> who are sending out-of-spec messages before they start deleting BT> them. Have you talked with Michael Connick about this? What we need is a program to run on our "Generic Echos" type files that will "dumb down" (opposite of smarten up?) these smart quotes. BBS operators have no control over the contents of the messages that get entered - and with INITS like "Smart Quotes" sometimes the sender doesn't either... at least if (s)he forgets to turn them off before a session. It would be a shame to have otherwise reasonable messages get deleted for just this reason. So what we need is a "filter" that will see these characters and convert them to the nearest legal character before being packed to be sent. Would you be willing to write such a program? Michael Connick has Tabby "glue" code available for Think C and there is glue code for at least one flavor of BASIC too. === end of reply === If Bruce isn't up to the task, is anyone else? I would hate to have all the Tabby systems get a reputation for creating offending messages! --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 Msg. #1716 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 09:18:52 To: Mark Spaulding From: Ray Leninger Subject: RE: TabbyNet launch MS> I used to on my machine with out a hitch. Whatever works. It's just not the "prescribed" method according to Michael Connick, and I figured he should know. He says "Scheduler" should be launched at reboot. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1717 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 09:21:49 To: Mark Toland From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: Missing Messages??? Just let us know what messages you don't receive and we'll resend them to you. 8-) (anyone who does NOT receive this message, please reply) --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1718 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 09:32:57 To: Scott Christensen From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: Duplicate received file names There's a similar problem with FREQs that I'm hoping will be fixed in Tabby 3.0. If the first 8 characters of the file name are the same, you end up with a bunch of nnnnnnn.BINxxxx files that don't get unBINed. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1719 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/08/91 at 09:35:48 To: Robert Mason From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: BusyOut Your BBS init string should hang up the phone. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1720 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 13:16:43 To: Norm Goodger From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: Here's one for the books... Norm Goodger writes in a message to Daniel Brown on 06 Jun 91 NG> It appears I forgot to mention I am running it on a Mac SE, not NG> a Plus, that might make a difference. Does 7.0 just fail to boot NG> when installed? What are the symptoms of the failure.. SE Radius accelerators seem to work ok. When I boot, I get an unimplemented trap, with a suggestion to hold down some key that will keep the extensions from booting. I've tried that and even with no extensions I still get the same error. Radius, says they're coming out with new ROMs and software at the end of June. I'm probably gonna need to go from 2.5 meg to 4 meg before then. Dan --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: What is the Speed of Light? (1:375/15.1) Msg. #1721 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 07:03:48 To: Ray Terry From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: ZipExtract It's FREQable here as ZIPEXTR.CPT --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1722 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 14:17:06 To: Jp Edmund From: Mark Spaulding Subject: RE: SS/RRH Jp Edmund writes in a message ... MS> IO wish I could. It has happened twice. It is as if the Yabby Events JE> I think the problem lies in your Yabby Events....... ^^^^^ Yeah I know. I have a handicap called dyslexia and I do this all the time! --Mark --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: +Dear Theo.+ Across the room (415-275-9759) (1:161/703.1) Msg. #1723 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 07:40:34 To: Ray Leninger From: Mark Spaulding Subject: Re: BusyOut Ray Leninger writes in a message ... RL> Your BBS init string should hang up the phone It should. But ONCE in a great while my doesn't. I just have to remember to check it before I leave. I have NO idea why it does this every once and a while! Regards, --Mark --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: +Dear Theo.+ Across the room (415-275-9759) (1:161/703.1) Msg. #1724 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 18:30:04 To: Randy Brown From: Bill Reed Subject: RE: Tabby misses events RB>>Eric, I also have times when Tabby just completely skips schedules. I'll I have had that problem too, Randy. (Had em all I think) Check your next event. Sometimes it doesn't update. I gave up fro a while and just ran one ling event and it was fine. Recentlt, I have noticed that if the program abhorts for some reason it sometimes doesnt update the next event and then skips a days operation. Bill --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: REFLECTIONS_NAHANT_MA_617-593-7228 (1:101/270) Msg. #1725 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 08:28:43 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Pete Johnson Subject: AreaTrix problem JE> Pete, I'm having some problems with AreaTrix. I set it up the JE> necessary way and it worked fine. Recently my points have been JE> getting no response when Areafix-ing new echos. I tried replacing the JE> application, no luck...any ideas? It sounds like AreaTrix isn't always running when it should. AreaTrix should run just before your importing application in *every* event including crashmail. JE> Also, do you have any plans to support the Fidonet.na file? I don't know what that is -- tell me more. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1726 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 08:31:34 To: Matt Jannusch From: Pete Johnson Subject: AreaTrix AreaTrix will work with Hermes. It is available for $25 from Pete Johnson Glassell Park BBS Post Office Box 65074 Los Angeles, CA 90065 The package also includes Flip, which will automatically forward files such as NODEDIFFS. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1730 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/12/91 at 22:15:42 To: Scott Christensen From: Pete Johnson Subject: Kibble & Bits & Fido It's no big trick to filter out high bits. I'll add it as an option to the next version of TExport. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1731 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 17:39:00 To: Eric Larson From: Duncan McNutt Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking Hello Eric, In a message Eric Larson writes to Duncan McNutt: >>EL> You want CD for the BBS. Otherwise how do you tell if a caller >>EL> dropped off the line? >> >> You can kludge it with timeouts. EL> Kludge is the word. I have found that if I have a BBS timeout less EL> than 10 minutes my users complain; but if the BBS just sat there for 2 Minutes ought to be more than enough. If the user doesn't type something for two minutes he is wasting your time. My system warns a user if he hasn't done anything for a minute, after 2 minutes it throws him out (I have hardware CD as well). Cheers, Duncan (Big Mac) McNutt --- Mac vi v999(beta) * Origin: MacOrigin on MacBox in MacGermany (2:243/100) Msg. #1732 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 17:42:00 To: Norm Goodger From: Duncan McNutt Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking Hello Norm, In a message Norm Goodger writes to Duncan Mcnutt: >> That is incorrect, hardware handschaking is done using pins 1 and 2. >> These are then used for CTR and RTS, >> ... >> Mac does not have enough pins for everything you lose DTR if you do >> hardware handshake. NG> Duncan, since the Mac does not have enough pins to properly support NG> HSK and CD which is "required" for BBS and Tabby operation, You can run the BBS/Mailer without CD (Carrier Detect) by using timeouts. Yes I know it is not as nice as CD but it is better than using software handshake. NG> The Plus, IIsi, LC, Classic and older Pre-Plus Macs cannot make NG> use of HSK. No they can use it, you use pins 1 and 2 for hardware handshake. NG> Using the GPi pin 7 also requires a "completely unique" NG> and custom modem cable. No one will be able to buy one, it will have You seem to be confused. There are two ways to connect a modem to a Mac: 1) use pin 1 as DTR, pin 2 as CTS (you need software handshake) 2) use pin 1 as RTS, pin 2 as CTS (hardware handshake, lose DTR) If supported pin 7 can be used as CD, else use timeouts. According to Tech Note 286 this is not supported on the Plus (because of the Mouse) and the LC and Classic Machines (the cost of having a "low cost" machine :-( ). Modem cables for both configurations can be bought, no "completely unique" cables are necessary :-). One very nice cable is available from Farralon, it turns on your mac if an incoming call comes in... If you think I am wrong, then check back with Apple ;-) (or your modem manufacturers tech support, ask Robin at USR). The data is also available in Inside Macintosh IV, page 248-249, Tech Note 65 and the Guide to Macintosh Hardware. NG> As far HSK being "needed"..perhaps with some modems, the HST gives me NG> regularly with zmodem 1600CPS on compressed files and I've gotton NG> 1900CPS on uncompressed files without HSK. This is not with mailer NG> software however. But it indicates to me that HSK is not mandatory in NG> all cases. Correct, on some modems it works. However you pay a 10% penalty. On HST you should get 1650-1700 and non-compressed should go quite a bit higher than 3000 on large text files (even higher if you have V.42bis). Note that the sending end will tell you higher values than the recieving end because of the serial buffering. Cheers, Duncan (Big Mac) McNutt --- WordStar 9999 Msg. #1733 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 18:22:00 To: Joseph Emmanuel From: Duncan McNutt Subject: RE: Hardware Handshaking Hello Joseph, In a message Joseph Emmanuel writes to Duncan McNutt: >> Third party Nubus boards with seriel ports allow all signals to be >> used, these are also automatically recognized by the CTB. This is >> the cleanest, albeit most costly solution. JE> Can you explain this a litter more in detail. Also why it is costly? It is costly because you have to buy the board :-). It is the cleanest solution because (most) of these boards do not have the brain damaged restrictions that the Apple serial ports do (ie: all signals including hardware handshake [RTS,CTS], DTR and CD are available). Cheers, Duncan (Big Mac) McNutt --- WordStar 9999 * Origin: MacOrigin on MacBox in MacGermany (2:243/100) Msg. #1734 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/05/91 at 01:10:22 To: Michael Nowack From: Kenroy Harrison Subject: Test Feed Hopefully we have this working across the two networks now. Kenroy --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: T H E J U N G L E_electric [NLP] 613 . 233 . 1474 (1:163/151) Msg. #1735 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 06:51:33 To: John W. Sinteur From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: Finally back... JW> Well, as I plan to come across the atlantic (to pick up some 4 Mb SIMMs JW> if they are cheap enough at the Expo), and things are looking good JW> enough on the finance side, I guess I could do with a little info on JW> the Boston Expo. Does anybody JW> have dates, times and locations for me? The Expo is Tuesday Aug 6 thru Friday. (I am pretty sure Aug 6, might be Aug 7...?). If you look in the latest _MacWorld_ magazine you can get a send-in-form to get a discount on admission. To everyone who cares, a few FidoPeoples will be at the User Group room *last year in the World Trade Center) on Wednesday of the Expo at 1:00pm. Don;t invite friends, the room is small :-) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1736 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 06:52:57 To: Mark Spaulding From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: BusyOut >E> when you leave the phone off the hook for a few minutes it gets >E> turned off by the phone company MS> Hugh. I have left my phone off the hook for hours (when the board was MS> down). The phone *shouldn't* be disconnected, but you never know with MS> local phone MS> systems. Shouldn't, but it does for some reason. I've never experienced this, but when my hub was down for 12+ hours because the phone compnay "forgot" to tunr it on again, everyone was rather shaken...I don't use BOut, very few around here do anymore :-) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1737 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 06:55:38 To: Frank Price From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking I have to agree with Frank (omigosh! Hermes and NLP people agreeing on something! Never! :-) ). The GPi pin is veru useful. With NLP (or Hermes (grin)) you can get the special cable, and have a full hardware handshake with carrier detect too. It improves speeds tremendously when you have data compression on, and it is user-transparent even at 1200bps. However this deal doesn't work so well when you set Tabby to a locked speed of 19.2K but there is no handshaking and you have points at 1200bps. Argh. jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1738 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 07:00:25 To: Matt Jannusch From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: AreaTrix MJ> Does anyone know how I would go about getting AreaTrix, and whether or MJ> not it will work with Hermes? There have been a lot of changes with MJ> echos in my net MJ> and AreaTrix would make things much easier. I already know that MJ> AreaFix doesn't work with Hermes properly, so does AreaTrix do basicly MJ> the same thing MJ> AreaFix does? Thanks in advance... Pete Johnson is here quite frequently and is the author of AreaTrix. I can 't see how using a paritcular BBS program would make a difference, as AreaTrix changes only the files in the Tabby folder to add/subtract echos. It is very useful for points. Incidentally, mine started working again after I sent Pete two posts here :-) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1739 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 22:54:06 To: Mike Taylor From: Louis Oaken Subject: RE: Help > > LO> One of my POINTs left me the following Email. > > I've been getting this same conversation in my netmail box using CP 1.10. I > just ignore it, though I don't know why I get it in the first place. Could > it be bleeding in from routed netmail? > I have NO idea! Thought someone might know, and how to fix 'whatever it be!' Louis --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: My Point On Sunshine Online Service! (1:135/92.1) Msg. #1740 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 12:22:14 To: Norm Goodger From: Bob Cramer Subject: RE: Hermes/Tabby Problem NG> BC>> DeliverMail ERROR: GetSomeMail - Unable to open received mail file. NG> Bob, this means there is a file listed in your Tabby Mail received file that does not exist or is not where it belongs. If you open that file and compare the files in it to the ones that actually exist, you will find your problem. Thanks, Norm. After much agony I got some detailed help from Mark Toland which was what you describe and the problem is now fixed. Thanks. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Mouse College BBS - Cedar Rapids, IA 319-365-4775 (1:283/119) Msg. #1741 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 12:29:05 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Bob Cramer Subject: RE: Re: Hermes/Tabby Problem Thanks to all of you who responded with the correct answer to my problem. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Mouse College BBS - Cedar Rapids, IA 319-365-4775 (1:283/119) Msg. #1742 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 12:29:38 To: Michael Connick From: Bob Cramer Subject: RE: Hermes/Tabby Problem Thanks to all of you who responded with the correct answer to my problem. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Mouse College BBS - Cedar Rapids, IA 319-365-4775 (1:283/119) Msg. #1743 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 10:22:11 To: Norm Goodger From: William Bowles Subject: Re: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Alert! Don't ask me! I was sent it and it looked bona fide. Bill --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY On-Line "The Best of Peacenet" 718-852-2662 (1:278/607) Msg. #1744 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/10/91 at 20:28:50 To: Mike Taylor From: Daniel Brown Subject: Re: Here's one for the books... The SE Radius accelerator seems to work fine. I called them about the Plus accelerator and they said new ROMs and Software would be out at the end of June. BTW, isn't this crazy, here we are communicating with each other through thousands of miles of telephone lines and were only about 60 miles away:-) Latter --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Speed of Light, Montgomery AL (205)262-3735 (1:375/15) Msg. #1745 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 10:53:03 To: Bill Reed From: Mike Steiner Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby Bill Reed writes to Ray Leninger on 06 Jun 91 ... BR> Actually, I have not increased the memory allocation of any of BR> the modules. So, that was not the problem. I removed the memory BR> cdev from the system and without the mandatory 16k disk cache BR> all is well. Others have told me that this does not do anything BR> but it worked for me so... You still have the cache; removing the Control Panel doesn't change the cache; it just doesn't let you change the cache size. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1746 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 10:56:33 To: Eric Jennings From: Mike Steiner Subject: Tabby misses events Eric Jennings writes to All on 04 Jun 91 ... EJ> Can anybody tell me why Tabby will sometimes just stop recognizing EJ> scheduled activities and only operate using CM? All I did was EJ> to add a new event/schedule and now it won't recognize any of EJ> the previously operational events. I can accept CM ok and Tabby EJ> Robot functions perfectly but Tabby has decided to ignore all EJ> my scheduled activities. This has happened previously - it seems EJ> to have to do with Launch Next and Next Event somehow getting EJ> out of synch. Is there a way to jar them back into action? I had that problem once; it turned out that I made a typo in one of the times in one of the events. Once I corrected that, everything worked fine. I did have to trash nextevent, though. No problem with that; the next time Scheduler runs, it creates a new nextevent file. If you ever have a launch next file and are not in the middle of an event, it means that the previous event did not get a chance to complete. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1747 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/09/91 at 11:00:17 To: Michael Long From: Mike Steiner Subject: problems Michael Long writes to All Commodore Owners on 06 Jun 91 ... ML> If anybody who owns a C64 or C128 has been having problems in ML> the Tabby message editor changing colors(control-p-#), could ML> you please tell me how you corrected it? I can't get it to work. What are you talking about? Tabby is a Macintosh program and doesn't have any color settings or a message editor. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1789 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 07:55:54 To: Pete Johnson From: David Herren Subject: Re: Multifinder 6.1b9 Pete: I've just boldly moved to using Multifinder on my BBS (after 3 years or so in single finder). I FREQed a copy of 6.1b9 since I have heard its benefits touted a great deal. I know you've moved the system 7.0, but would _you_ recommend using the beta version or staying with 6.0.5? By liberally using FragFighter I've put a stop to all (most?) of the quite to finder problems (oddly, mehit 2.06 quits to the finder everytime it attempts to launch renum unless I stick FragFighter in there.) How much memory should I allocate mehit. It doesn't seem to have a size resource. I've temporarily given it 500K. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1790 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 07:57:20 To: Ray Terry From: David Herren Subject: Re: ZipExtract You may FREQ it here anytime. Use: zipextr01d3.cpt -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1791 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 07:59:28 To: Randy Brown From: David Herren Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby & cache I guess I've never connected to a D'Bridge system, but with Front Door, Binkley and Tabby there are no problems with a full meg cache. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1793 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/07/91 at 13:09:33 To: Norm Goodger From: Jerry Ronchi Subject: Re:Bi-directional Software Norm Goodger writes in a message on 06/03/91 to Eric Larson NG> extent bi-directional transfers. Yes there are other bi-directional NG> programs MCS, and a couple others whose names I cannot recall, NG> but they are pretty basic. Perhaps I am overlooking some others? Yes, there are: 1) MultiXFer (freeware) 2) DoubleTalk (commercial) Regards, == Jerry Ronchi ==================================================== --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Cope II. Available when? (2:332/404.10) Msg. #1794 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 06:53:23 To: Michael Long From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: Re: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Ale (quote deleted.) On the other hand, this kind of messages appears EVERY spring, and the FCC does not currently has any plans to add surcharges (this was going on a few years ago...if it had a current docket number than OK, but it don't.). Howevere if you and everyone else calls, I'm sure the FCC will again start thinking about it ;-( jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1795 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 06:56:25 To: Ray Terry From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: ZipExtract RT> Where can I freq the _latest_ ZipExtract? Does anyone have it RT> available??? Yes, freq Zip_Extr.cpt from 1:273/922 or 6:6009/4. 1200-9600 v32 supported. Any time except ZMH please. (the hours immediately before and immediately after ZMH are always busy with processing mail (SendNews, SendMail, ArcMail Compress trying to figure out which of 35 echos goes to which point, etc.) and sending mail to Points, so you'll most likely get a busy signal from 3-6AM Eastern Daylight Time. Any other tims is great, tho. :-) ). This is the latest version, 0.1d3. No release notes, but the big features include, it writes to the Tabby log instead of import/export.log and you can edit some of the strings with ResEdit. jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1796 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 06:59:19 To: Randy Brown From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby & cache RB> I have had a D'Bridge connection timeout with a cache setting of >300K RB> (approximation). When the cache was being written to disk, D'Bridge RB> said "bye". FWIW, when my Binkley-based Hub calls in to deliver mail to me, I'll get all the mail and Tabby will go on it's merry way, unZIPping, unARCIng if necessary, delivering mail, importing into messages bases, rebooting Mac, launching BBS...and all the while the Bink system stays online. I guess it expects Tabby to hang up the phone, but Tabby doesn't when it's getting CrashMail :-). (Oh, also, I run a 96k cache. When my 4-meg ram card for the Portable comes next Monday or so, I'll increase that to 128 or higher. It's makes the BBS run faster than the menus can get loaded into RAM and stay there.) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1798 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/12/91 at 19:23:36 To: John Gillett From: Ralph Merritt Subject: ZipExtract RT> Where can I freq the _latest_ ZipExtract? Does anyone have RT> it available??? > Sure do. It's ZIPExtr.cpt. I seem to remember there was a Copernicus-specific version of this, if so, do you have it? Or can Cope and Tabby use the same version? One of my points wants me to zip his mail. --- * Origin: Dragon's MailBox (1:269/111) Msg. #1800 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 19:28:22 To: Ralph Merritt From: John Gillett Subject: RE: ZipExtract RM> I seem to remember there was a Copernicus-specific version of this, RM> if so, do you have it? Or can Cope and Tabby use the same version? RM> One of my points wants me to zip his mail. The only one I have is straight from Italy, no mods. Have not tried it in Cop, but it works great with Tabby. John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix (6:6008/1) (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1810 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 10:36:45 To: Duncan McNutt From: Dorman Bullard Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > Hello Eric, > 2 Minutes ought to be more than enough. If the user doesn't type something for > two minutes he is wasting your time. My system warns a user if he hasn't done > anything for a minute, after 2 minutes it throws him out (I have hardware CD > as well). > From a users standpoint, I think 2 minutes is too short. You do remember users don't you? Those are the people that screw up your perfectly functioning system. Some of the think tank labs are working on systems to eliminate users. Of course if your BBS is really extremely busy, perhaps something approaching 2 mimutes may be warranted. I still think 3 is more like it. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #1833 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/12/91 at 20:45:30 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Jesse Tharin Subject: Re: Duplicate received file names JE> Or, you could stop the event in the middle and start another one. JE> (mail processing doesn't tale _that_ long :-) ) And, one doesn't have to do a complete mail processing event. As far as one has to go is just to unarchive the mail down to the packet level. Quick! Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1837 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/14/91 at 09:18:17 To: David Herren From: Pete Johnson Subject: Re: Multifinder 6.1b9 Since I never ran the BBS on MultiFinder before System 7 I don't have any direct information, but those bold souls who were running boards using MultiFinder seemed unanimous in their endorsement of this beta MF. A 500K memory allotment should be more than ample for mehit. I'm running a development version with many more functions in a 512K partition. Have you checked the mehit error log? --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1842 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/14/91 at 01:13:25 To: David Herren From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Multifinder 6.1b9 > I FREQed a copy of 6.1b9 since I have heard its benefits touted a great > deal. I know you've moved the system 7.0, but would _you_ recommend using > the beta version or staying with 6.0.5? Use 6.1b9. Sub_launch is not properly supported in any official released version of MultiFinder until 7.0. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1843 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 08:51:32 To: All From: Mark Spaulding Subject: Tabby Missing Sheduled events HELP! For the past couple of weeks Tabby has been skipping scheduled events. (I am running SS/Tabby under 7.0) When I check the system in the morning, SS is running as it should, and the log says that TabbyNet was launched at 0200, BUT the Tabby log does NOT indicate that SendNews, etc., was run and the 0400 event was not run at all. This situation has happened four out of five times a week for the past two weeks. What I have done is replaced ALL the Tabby applications from the Master disk and checked the spelling on all events. The ONLY thing that has been added is Pete Johnson's TSet fairly recently. The stangest thing of all is that a couple of mornings, Tabby Maintenance was running instead of launching back to SS--very strange. Any help or suggestions would be great! Thanks, --Mark --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: +Dear Theo.+ Across the room (415-275-9759) (1:161/703.1) Msg. #1844 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/14/91 at 18:35:07 To: Mike Steiner From: Bill Reed Subject: RE: Sys 7 and Tabby MS>>You still have the cache; removing the Control Panel doesn't change the MS>>0cache; it just doesn't let you change the cache size. MS>>0 THAT MAKES SENSE....but regardless Tabby is up and working just as smooth as silk. Thanks for the reply. =br --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: REFLECTIONS_NAHANT_MA_617-593-7228 (1:101/270) Msg. #1845 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 23:29:28 To: Pete Johnson From: Jesse Tharin Subject: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death PJ> It's no big trick to filter out high bits. I'll add it as an PJ> option to the next version of TExport. Pete... I've just had another idea and you just gave it to me. It seems like it would be a good idea for TExport to check "bad user names" and just not export messages from Doctor Death, The Terminator, Hitler's Son, and that old favorite, F*** You. That way twits could just spin their wheels locally (talking to themselves, so to speak) and not ever get out into the network. And if TExport could somehow set the "deleted" flag for messages it hits on, that would be icing on the cake. Then log-o-matic could just do it's thing and erase the caller's log entry as well, using the same TwitList. Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1855 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/15/91 at 00:02:18 To: Pete Johnson From: Char Rice Subject: Re: AreaTrix <<When they see messages from me (and TExport always blabs), my applications all respond with fear and begin behaving, fearing imminent revision. ;-)>> Gee, can you fix my Scheduler? ;-) It doesn't seem to want to work right these days... It keeps skipping that early morning call scheduled for your BBS. -- Helmsman 1.0b1 --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Drawing Board-Hac Hts,CA*Mac DTP*(818)965-6241 (1:102/885) Msg. #1619 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/15/91 at 12:18:00 To: Char Rice From: Pete Johnson Subject: Re: AreaTrix CR> Gee, can you fix my Scheduler? ;-) It doesn't seem to want to CR> work right these days... It keeps skipping that early morning CR> call scheduled for your BBS. Unfortunately I didn't write Scheduler so it has no fear of me. Michael Connick could probably give it a good scare, though. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1620 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/15/91 at 09:40:12 To: Dennis Thieme From: Kirk Crawford Subject: Re: TABBY & System 7 & Mac+ In a message to All dated 05/27/91 at 16:14:16, Dennis Thieme writes: DT> Has anyone successfully run SS/TABBY on a MacPlus under System 7.0? DT> Specifically I installed System 7.0 (successfully) on my Plus but DT> when called via Copernicus (to TABBY) or WK (to the BBS) neither DT> worked. Copernicus/TABBY timed out and while SS answered, it hung DT> during the log on of the caller. I had the same problem. I guess you might be using Sponge and FileSharing is turned on. The problem is that FileSharing makes the Mac take a little longer to launch programs. The solution is to upgrade Sponge to version 0.7. This version collects data for a shorter and adjustable time. I have uploaded Sponge to AOL and will upload it to GEnie. It is FREQable from my BBS as SPONGE.CPT. Kirk Crawford Author of Sponge --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Kirk's BBS - Home of LoadMaster (213) 376-2150 (1:102/132) Msg. #1605 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/12/91 at 12:44:00 To: Joseph Emmanuel From: Duncan McNutt Subject: Origin Line Hi Joseph, JE> * Origin: "CALL" 505 891-3840,1st Point off the CALL JE> (HST/V.32bis DS) (1:301/4.1) Sorry to bug you with technicalities, but your origin line is too long. Tearlines should not be longer than 36 characters and origin lines should not be longer than 79 characters. Further you should avoid using the round brackets () for anyting else but the FIDO address, I suggest you use the square brackets []. Cheers, Duncan --- * Origin: Rhein-Main Macintosh BBS [FRG-06101-41471] (2:243/100) Msg. #1606 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/12/91 at 16:11:00 To: Scott Christensen From: Duncan McNutt Subject: Message from EchoMac Hi Scott, * In a message from 09-Jun-91, originally to ALL, Scott Christensen said: SC> >By the way, folks, I hear that the new Backbone Echomail Policy SC> >Document (which apparently =will= be enforced by software that deletes SC> >offending messages) doesn't allow for messages with the high bit set. SC> >going to be sending netmail to users/sysops who are sending out-of-spec SC> >messages before they start deleting them. I don't know where you got this, but I suspect that it is a hoax. If it isn't then whoever wrote that document is going to be in trouble with the FTSC. A little background information may be in order: about a year ago the interested parties in FIDO started to wake up to the fact that ASCII doesn't cut it in international systems. The result (after the dust settled) is a document called FSC-0054 that is available from SDS nodes (others may have it too). This document describes how international and extended character sets are to be transported in FIDOnet (it also allows for font/style switching). For a message to be fully complient it scould be converted to the LATIN-1 character set and contain a kludge that looks like this "^aCHRS: LATIN-1 2". For non-roman languages the character set and the kludge are different of course. That means that although the Mac extended characters are not really allowed I suspect that messages containing them will not be deleted in the near future. However programs that export messages into FIDOnet ought to convert the characters to/from LATIN-1 (Latin-1 is used by VT200, Amiga and quite a few other systems). Cheers, Duncan --- * Origin: Rhein-Main Macintosh BBS [FRG-06101-41471] (2:243/100) Msg. #1607 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/14/91 at 02:50:47 To: Ray Leninger From: Scott Christensen Subject: Re: Duplicate received file names Ray Leninger writes in a message to Scott Christensen on 08 Jun 91 RL> There's a similar problem with FREQs that I'm hoping will be RL> fixed in Tabby 3.0. If the first 8 characters of the file name RL> are the same, you end up with a bunch of nnnnnnn.BINxxxx files RL> that don't get unBINed. But they're a whole bunch easier to fix! ;-) (And they don't happen without you knowing that they are going to happen in advance - you know to look for them.) But it would be nice to have them fixed anyway and save the extra step of editing the files recieved list. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: (1:282/24.1) Msg. #1608 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 22:16:40 To: Jesse Tharin From: Scott Christensen Subject: RE: BusyOut Jesse Tharin writes in a message to John Gillett on 10 Jun 91 JT> DUMB QUESTION TIME! DUMB QUESTION TIME! I have a question that's JT> so simple it just *HAS* to be dumb. Can't you delete the Finder JT> and rename a copy of ShutMeDown to "Finder"? Then when the Mac JT> wants to tune in, turn on and drop out to the Finder, it should JT> restart, no? I betcha I'm missing something here, but maybe JT> (just maybe) it really _is_ that simple. At it's heart, this JT> is a serious and fundamental question about how this Mac works. JT> Any ideas? I use an init called "Boom" that reboots on bombs. I have it available on my BBS, I can send it to you if you wish, although I have heard that it only works on Plus and SE (not SE/30 or above). --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: (1:282/24.1) Msg. #1609 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 07:19:00 To: Mike Steiner From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: AreaTrix. >E> AreaTrix runs and all, and I checked the setup files and everything >E> is ok. MS> I had that problem when I started getting points and they started to MS> use AreaTrix. The problem turned out to be that I had not put a MS> carriage return after the MS> last item in my areaPass file. I stand corrected...everything was ok except for that little CR at the end of that file :-) (oops!). Thanx, Mike! jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1610 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 22:04:45 To: Ralph Merritt From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: ZipExtract RM> I seem to remember there was a Copernicus-specific version of this, if RM> so, do you have it? Or can Cope and Tabby use the same version? One RM> of my points RM> wants me to zip his mail. I think you can edit the strings in the 0.1d3 version, to make it more Coper-friendly. Massimo Senna (the author of ZE) posted how to do this on MANSION a few weeks ago, it might still be on my message section...I'll check. jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1611 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 15:24:54 To: Scott Christensen From: Mark Toland Subject: RE: Duplicate received file names SC> He sends me duplicate file names on message archives! I remember having that happen long ago when two different nodes would send me files with the same name. If you have arcmail extract and delivermail in all your events (CM too) it's not a problem unless they call one after another while Tabby is 'sitting' during an event. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: _ZSys_BBS_5152793073_N290EC_DM,IA_MultiTechV.42bis (1:290/2.1) Msg. #1612 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/14/91 at 22:59:43 To: Pete Johnson From: Dennis Thieme Subject: AreaTrix & FIDONET.NA JE> Also, do you have any plans to support the Fidonet.na file? I don't know what that is -- tell me more. Pete, Pardon me Jason, for jumping in here, but I'd already discussed this with Pete some time ago. FIDONET.NA is the file that is used by DOS areafix programs to determine whether or not to send an 'auto-request' upstream to the host of the machine receiving the request. This is part of the 'security' system we discussed a while back when I asked if you were planning on implementing a version of upstream requests on an automatic basis. The DOS version of areafix checks areas.bbs first (and activates the area if found) and the FIDONET.NA listing second (sending a request to activate the area from the host if not first found in the areas.bbs file, sending an 'area not found' message if not in the .na list) as part of the auto-request function. Hope this helps. (Running the DOS based NEC machine has added many new dimensions to my life [nightmares too!]) Dennis --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: Dennis' mail point (1:213/777.11) Msg. #1613 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/11/91 at 12:42:28 To: Norm Goodger From: Brian Kay Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking > Using the GPi pin 7 also requires a "completely unique" and custom modem cable. No one will be able to buy one, it will have to be custom made for each and every sysop that wants to use GPi "should" their Mac have it. > If this is the case, I can highly recommend Custom Connections here in San Jose to get your cable made from. They have made every cable I've ever used on my Plus, and my Mac XL. They have also made many a cable for friends with post Plus machines, etc. Their prices are more than reasonable. Just give them the configuration, and they'll do it to it. Here is the information if anyone should want it: Custom Connections 4862 Bannock Circle San Jose, CA 95130 (408) 370-0990 Ask for Linda, if she is not there, Jerry can answer any of your questions. They work out of their home, and do super work... Enough said.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: HERMES Software Support Group (408) 978-9784 (1:143/38) Msg. #1614 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 07:35:02 To: Michael Pester From: Mike Steiner Subject: RE: $$$make money fast$$$ Michael Pester writes to Mike Steiner on 04 Jun 91 ... MS> He's like Chickenman: He's everywhere, he's everywhere. MP> You don't have that commercial there too do ya? Haven't heard or seen any commercials with Chickenman. It was a radio series in the 1960s, done as a satire on the superhero radio and TV shows. Armed Forces Radio played it often. BTW, what is the upgrade policy for Cope' II, and when will it be available? --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1615 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 18:47:31 To: Ray Leninger From: Mike Steiner Subject: Re: Missing Messages??? Ray Leninger writes to Mark Toland on 08 Jun 91 ... RL> Just let us know what messages you don't receive and we'll resend RL> them to you. 8-) (anyone who does NOT receive this message, please RL> reply) I received it, so I am not replying--you only imagine that you receive this message. :-) --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1616 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 18:49:35 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Mike Steiner Subject: AreaTrix problem Jason Ehrlich writes to Pete Johnson on 08 Jun 91 ... JE> Pete, I'm having some problems with AreaTrix. I set it up the JE> necessary way and it worked fine. Recently my points have been JE> getting no response when Areafix-ing new echos. I tried replacing JE> the application, no luck...any ideas? Jason, I had that problem when I first started using AreaTrix; I had forgotten to put a carriage return at the end of one of the files (the areapass file, I believe). --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1617 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/13/91 at 18:51:02 To: Mark Spaulding From: Mike Steiner Subject: RE: SS/RRH Mark Spaulding writes to Jp Edmund on 09 Jun 91 ... MS> Yeah I know. I have a handicap called dyslexia and I do this MS> all the time! I sympathize; I have lysdexia also. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1639 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 06:47:55 To: Jesse Tharin From: John Gillett Subject: RE: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death JT> I've just had another idea and you just gave it to me. It seems JT> like it would be a good idea for TExport to check "bad user names"... I like that! John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix (6:6008/1) (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1641 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 09:48:48 To: Jesse Tharin From: Pete Johnson Subject: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death Interesting idea, to extend TExport to delete messages from pseudonymous jerks. I'll take a crack at that. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1642 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 09:55:11 To: Dennis Thieme From: Pete Johnson Subject: AreaTrix & FIDONET.NA Thanks for explaining the FIDONET.NA file -- indeed I knew that the DOS version of AreaFix supported this sort of function, but not how it was implemented. Now that I know what it is, I can answer better -- AreaTrix will *not* support this in the near future, though it may eventually. Adding this function to AreaTrix involves additional security considerations and a lot more coding, and AreaTrix is low on my list of "return-to" projects since it generally works OK. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1643 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/17/91 at 00:19:40 To: David Herren From: Russell Naber Subject: RE: Tabby 3.0 In a message to Russell Naber dated 05/30/91 at 08:26:16, David Herren writes: DH> I believe that Janus only works with a symetrical protocol such as DH> v32 or v32bis so many sysops couldn't take advantage of it anyway. Yes I meant the new DS/HST's, with v32 bis. -Russ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Black Diamond-Gillette, WY/Energy Capitol U.S.A.! (1:15/16) Msg. #1644 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/17/91 at 00:28:12 To: Frank Price From: Russell Naber Subject: RE: Hardware Hanshaking In a message to Norm Goodger dated 06/06/91 at 22:37:57, Frank Price writes: FP> This would indicate clearly that Apple intends to use this pin in FP> the future in the same way in future models of Apple computers. It FP> has been clearly and easily documented how programmers should use FP> this pin. There is absolutely no reason not to implement full FP> support for it. It is not nuclear physics, it requires only four FP> assmebly language instructions. The System 7 Gestalt information FP> call is designed to detect the presence of this pin. Apple has gone FP> to great lengths recently to make it quite clear this pin will be FP> support FP> FP> in the future and is available for use as DCD on BBS and mailer FP> software. FP> To argue that XON/XOFF is an acceptable method of flow control is FP> flawed to say the least. It is an archaic and slow method flow FP> control that is much less reliable than hardware handshake. I think FP> it would be extremely beneficial for Tabby and its users to FP> implement this simple feature. It is in fact "easily" done. Frank I totally agree with you on this. All I was implying when I first started this threat was that both Tabby and RRH should allow the Macintosh Sysop the option to use hardware handshaking with his bbs and mailer programs with his modem if he desires. Using the system calls the author's could implement the correct use of the GPI pin and hardware handshaking if the sysop is using a machine that is capable of it hardware wise. If not then just don't allow the sysop to check a checkbox in a setup dialog box. The goal is to provide alternate ways to setup your system and not be bound to only one way to implement flow control. (i.e. software handshaking). Anyway isn't this the Macintosh way, to allow the user of software the freedom to do it his way and not limit him to a set way of doing things? -Russ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Black Diamond-Gillette, WY/Energy Capitol U.S.A.! (1:15/16) Msg. #1645 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/17/91 at 01:07:16 To: All From: Russell Naber Subject: Tabby connects with Binkley with Passwds I have been trying to setup some passworded session with my brother who is using Binkley in order to get more kilobytes of transfers allowable. We have setup a 3 character password and I can call him with tabby robot or a event using the Tabbynet program and everything seems to work fine. But when he crashmails me the password sessions do not work. Any idea's? He says that during crashmails binkley does not get the mailer head id. -Russ --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Black Diamond-Gillette, WY/Energy Capitol U.S.A.! (1:15/16)